Session Start: Sun Mar 27 21:57:28 2005
Session Ident: #worship
[21:57:38] <rahaeli> Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to ask you now to take two minutes and collect yourselves in silent reflection before we begin.
[21:57:57] <rahaeli> We're going to set the channel so nobody can talk but me and Whitney. From here, Whitney will cue the music.
[21:58:21] * ladysisyphus is Whitney, for those of you who haven't figured it out.
[21:59:13] <rahaeli> Okay, everyone, we're going silent now.
[21:59:22] <rahaeli> Please take a few minutes to compose yourselves before we begin.
[21:59:25] * rahaeli sets mode: +m
[22:00:40] <ladysisyphus> All right. You can all press 'play' now.
[22:01:04] <ladysisyphus> Greetings and welcome on this Easter Sunday evening.
[22:01:27] <ladysisyphus> Welcome to what is most certainly a new experience for all of us.
[22:02:07] <ladysisyphus> Fortunately, we're all in this together. I don't know any more about what's going to happen than the rest of you do, but that's okay. Less room for me, more room for God.
[22:02:20] <ladysisyphus> But most importantly, I want to share with everyone that I'm wearing a pair of pajama pants.
[22:02:42] <ladysisyphus> I like dressing up for Sunday mornings, and I understand what it is to put on your best for God.
[22:03:02] <ladysisyphus> However, this service is a reminder that God is not only in church. God does not only want you to wear uncomfortable shoes.
[22:03:39] <ladysisyphus> God is in the comfy places too. God happens when we're in our own places, among friends, eating munchies, drinking soda.
[22:03:49] <ladysisyphus> God happens in the comfy places of our lives.
[22:04:09] <ladysisyphus> Which is a realisation that has always made me feel a little better about everything.
[22:04:21] <ladysisyphus> Therefore, I ask that you share this opening prayer with me:
[22:04:41] <ladysisyphus> God, who brings new life where none has been before, bring into our lives a new message and a new word.
[22:04:47] <ladysisyphus> Do a new thing with us here today.
[22:04:57] <ladysisyphus> Bring new life into the dry places.
[22:05:03] <ladysisyphus> Bring hope into the empty places.
[22:05:12] <ladysisyphus> Bring love into our lives.
[22:05:14] <ladysisyphus> Amen.
[22:05:31] <ladysisyphus> And now, for our first reading:
[22:05:44] * rahaeli sets mode: +v kiwi
[22:05:51] <kiwi> (This is the text of the Easter Hymn on the songlist, which you're hearing right now if you were able to download it.
[22:05:58] <kiwi> The reading is from the Russian Orthodox Easter service (which does not actually occur this year until May 1 - it's on Julian calendar).
[22:06:04] <kiwi> There are a set of resurrectional odes which are sung every year, and this text is Ode IX, followed by the traditional Paschal refrain.. )
[22:06:11] <kiwi> ---
[22:06:14] <kiwi> The Angel cried to the Lady full of grace
[22:06:22] <kiwi> Rejoice! Rejoice! O pure Virgin!
[22:06:28] <kiwi> Again, I say rejoice!
[22:06:34] <kiwi> Your son is risen from His three days in the tomb!
[22:06:40] <kiwi> With Himself He has raised all the dead.
[22:06:46] <kiwi> Rejoice, rejoice, O ye people!
[22:06:52] <kiwi> Shine! Shine! Shine, O new Jerusalem!
[22:07:01] <kiwi> The glory of the Lord has shown on thee.
[22:07:06] <kiwi> Exult now, exult and be glad, O Zion.
[22:07:16] <kiwi> Be radiant, O pure Theotokos,
[22:07:23] <kiwi> In the Resurrection of your Son.
[22:07:28] <kiwi> ---
[22:07:33] <kiwi> Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and upon those in the tombs bestowing life.
[22:08:01] * rahaeli sets mode: +v mrmoonpants
[22:08:07] <ladysisyphus> And our second reading.
[22:08:10] * rahaeli sets mode: -v kiwi
[22:08:31] <mrmoonpants> The following reading is from "The Violence of Love," a collection of sayings and writings by Archbishop Oscar Romero:
[22:08:43] <mrmoonpants> When the priest raises the host and says,
[22:08:48] <mrmoonpants> "Let us proclaim the mystery of faith,"
[22:08:52] <mrmoonpants> you reply what you sense within:
[22:08:59] <mrmoonpants> "Christ has died. Christ is risen."
[22:09:03] <mrmoonpants> This is the eucharist:
[22:09:09] <mrmoonpants> proclamation of the Lord's death,
[22:09:14] <mrmoonpants> proclamation of his eternal life,
[22:09:21] <mrmoonpants> optimism of the men and women who know
[22:09:24] <mrmoonpants> that they are following,
[22:09:31] <mrmoonpants> even amid the darkness and confusion of our history,
[22:09:36] <mrmoonpants> the bright light of Christ,
[22:09:38] <mrmoonpants> eternal life.
[22:10:07] <ladysisyphus> Listen to what the spirit is saying in these words.
[22:10:13] <ladysisyphus> Close your eyes and listen to the music, or listen to silence.
[22:10:34] * rahaeli sets mode: -v mrmoonpants
[22:10:40] <ladysisyphus> Hear the music within yourself and within your life.
[22:15:59] <ladysisyphus> Before we discuss the sermon, I'd like to take a moment to talk about writing it.
[22:16:11] <ladysisyphus> I had once heard someone talk about the story of Job in the Bible.
[22:16:31] <ladysisyphus> Job, for those of you who don't know, finds himself at the bad end of a bet between God and an adversary.
[22:16:47] <ladysisyphus> He loses his land, he loses his fortune, and he loses his family.
[22:16:52] <ladysisyphus> At the end of the story, he gets all that back.
[22:17:16] <ladysisyphus> But that someone mentioned that Job doesn't get back the same things he lost -- he doesn't get his children back, not really.
[22:17:31] <ladysisyphus> He gets more children, but nothing can replace the children he lost.
[22:17:55] <ladysisyphus> Which is a good metaphor for many things, not the least of which is how irreplacable we all are.
[22:18:17] <ladysisyphus> We can't get back the people we've lost.
[22:18:26] <ladysisyphus> But we can move on in their names and their memories.
[22:18:37] <ladysisyphus> We are, after all, what all our ancestors have given to us.
[22:19:00] <ladysisyphus> Our parents, and their parents, all the way back, back further than we can think or remember.
[22:19:23] <ladysisyphus> We are the new life from their lives.
[22:19:37] <ladysisyphus> We are their resurrections, just as we can be Jesus' resurrection.
[22:20:02] <ladysisyphus> With that in mind, I'd like to open up the discussion to all of you.
[22:20:10] * rahaeli sets mode: -m
[22:20:22] <rahaeli> The channel is now open for discussion.
[22:20:28] <ladysisyphus> Here you can talk about new life, new things, how God builds life from brokenness.
[22:20:39] <ladysisyphus> I invite you all to participate.
[22:21:20] * Lynne|UrsaMajor chuckles, this is the part where everyone's too nervous to go first? :)
[22:21:23] <Musil|Herocatholic> i believe it's hard sometimes to move on to a better life
[22:21:23] <arie> In your sermon, I was especially moved by the way you tied together the holding on of something to standing still. Not letting new life in.
[22:21:37] <Matt|MrDorbin> Yes. The point isn't going back, it's going forward.
[22:21:41] <rahaeli> The thing that comes to my mind most is how this very service is a form of new life and new rebuilding for Whitney. The courage to try something new, to go out and do something else.
[22:21:48] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> It is hard to move on to a better life. There's always inertia keeping you where you are.
[22:21:52] <john|folk> Arie, I agree. That spoke to me as I'm considering changing things in my life.
[22:21:57] <Chiyo> That's what stagnates people, I think. They think that by clinging to a "life", they're moving on, when in reality, they're doing quite the opposite.
[22:22:03] <ladysisyphus> My professors keep saying 'God is doing a new thing.' I believe this is part of the new thing.
[22:22:05] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> But sometimes God gives you a push in the right direction
[22:22:20] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> maryam: yes, and it's a lot easier because it's what you know. your past? known, done. your future? not so much.
[22:22:20] <jessica|jpallan> It seems to me as though part of the message is to not spend your life mourning, instead to honor the memory of those persons by remembering them in their moments of joy and honoring them with your life's work.
[22:22:21] * Andrea smiles
[22:22:22] <john|folk> Right. I've been doing a lot of Myers-Briggs reading recently, and some people are simply not predisposed towards change.
[22:22:26] <arie> Sometimes you need a push or you stand where you think you're supposed to be instead of moving forward where God wants you.
[22:22:28] <Andrea> But it's not just you who's doing a new thing today :)
[22:22:35] <crschmidt> It's hard to move on to a better anything, no matter how small it is. Sometimes you just have to take a leap of faith.
[22:22:38] * Andrea is now known as Andrea|andrea_lambda
[22:22:41] <Akebono> There is the fear that clinging to what you have is the right choice, because anything else is abandonment and betrayal.
[22:22:47] <rahaeli> Sometimes God hits you upside the head with a 2x4 to get you moving :)
[22:22:49] <H|rustnroses> I think God gives you more than a push, but lays the path out before you, but you have to overcome your fear to take it.
[22:22:53] <kiwi> John: Agreed; it's hard to let go of the comfortable, and sometimes that's essential for change.
[22:22:54] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> I'm starting a new life. Soon. Moving out of this place and into my first nonabusive home ever. I'm really excited for it.
[22:23:06] <arie> sometimes God gives you a moment of clarity and that's all it takes.
[22:23:08] <ladysisyphus> As well you should be!
[22:23:08] <rahaeli> It's a good time for it, Pthalo :)
[22:23:11] <john|folk> rah: Yes, that's right -- remember that email I sent you a few weeks back? That's exactly it.
[22:23:13] <Akebono> But clinging to something and pretending it's alive, when it's not...maybe that's the real betrayal.
[22:23:14] <arie> sometimes you need the 2x4.
[22:23:14] <rho> i'm at a stage in my life right now where i've recently realised that i do have to change things, and do have to take action. and... this helps. it's all very serendipitously timed.
[22:23:16] * cjshrwood offers a hug to Pthalo.
[22:23:24] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> maryam: yay, and yes :)
[22:23:25] <crschmidt> I started a new life 9 months ago, and I've hardly looked back. Fate, God, whatever you may want to call it: I'm where I am because of it.
[22:23:26] * Pthalo|pthalogreen accepts :)
[22:23:32] <rahaeli> rho: I believe things happen when you need them to :)
[22:23:35] <kiwi> I'm moving to a new job because I realized that my current one has become just standing still, with no change or growth.
[22:23:46] <crschmidt> I moved away from a family who is still trying to control me from 1000 miles away: but it's much harder for them to do so now.
[22:23:49] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> I'm terrified! I graduate in two months
[22:23:51] <Matt|MrDorbin> I'm just helping someone finally leave is job and find something new. He's terrified.
[22:23:54] <H|rustnroses> I start a new life in a few months and I'm so excited for it.
[22:23:54] <arie> It just dawned on me how many people I know that have had that moment of clarity in the last week.
[22:23:55] <Tertius|dwarvennomlet> It feels that when you're afraid to move on from something you're comfortable with, like about to leave one college and go to a new, or leave your parent's home for the first time, God pushes you gently, so that you can begin a new life, a new way and honor your parent's efforts and troubles in raising you.
[22:23:55] <rahaeli> I'm terrified of change, when it happens. I have to keep reminding myself that sometimes you have to just /go/.
[22:23:57] <Musil|Herocatholic> im moving on from an old friendship that died
[22:24:01] <Chiyo> A lot of the time, something just needs to ahppen - that little bit - to push you over the edge. Heck of an edge, but then you can fly
[22:24:02] <dodecahedron> "Sing to the Lord a new song." I think God definitely wants us to be constantly changing.
[22:24:06] <Desh> I firmly believe that change doesn't happen to us unless we're ready for it.
[22:24:06] <Kat|vanswingedangel> I think you need the realization that even when you are scared, God's there with a hug as well as the 2x4, to extend the metaphor.
[22:24:07] <arie> just how much momentous has change has happened in just my circle of friends.
[22:24:08] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> and im going to live in new york and eat ramen noodles and i dont know whats going to happen.
[22:24:18] * john|folk hums the Cantate Domino in the Oxford Anthems Book.
[22:24:20] <kiwi> Sometimes god pushes gently, and sometimes he pulls out the big bat. It's not always a subtle hint.
[22:24:24] <Chiyo> As LS said - God's in the comfy places, too.
[22:24:24] <Andrea|andrea_lambda> I'm kind of finding myself at a crossroads much like Rho is. Tomorrow I'm going to visit my grandparents' grave, and I'm going to wash myself of a guilt I've carried for too long
[22:24:37] <Matt|MrDorbin> I think of it as Butch God and Her Steel-Toed Boots of Righteousness.
[22:24:39] <Janine|janinedog> I'm going to be starting a new life this summer. Graduating, moving, looking for and starting a job.
[22:24:41] <Akebono> I'm ending a relationship. And again and again, I feel like this horrible person, just because I'm the one who pronounced the corpse dead...
[22:24:43] <cjshrwood> I look at my future post-school and can't imagine succeeding in it, just as -- when I started back at school, I couldn't imagine leaving a fairly successful job and succeeding at school.
[22:24:43] <Kat|vanswingedangel> I'm going to college next year and I'm scared stiff, but God will be there too.
[22:24:45] <Rob|Malerin> I've changed everything, my life, my world, everything I really knew. And it terrified me, and still does terrify me. But it's what I need to do.
[22:24:46] <john|folk> Yes. Sometimes one has to also take a step back from the situation to acquire clarity. I had to step all the way to China. :)
[22:24:47] <cjshrwood> Terror is a good way to put it.
[22:24:52] <rahaeli> Change is terrifying.
[22:24:55] <Spottie> yes
[22:24:56] <Chiyo> It really is.
[22:24:56] <abe|burr86> change is horribly terrifying.
[22:24:58] <Kat|vanswingedangel> It is.
[22:25:04] <rahaeli> But terror brings power, I think.
[22:25:05] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> and yet...
[22:25:06] <john|folk> Am I alone in finding it exciting?
[22:25:07] <kiwi> Terrifying yes, but it can also be exhilarating.
[22:25:10] <rho> i believe things happen when you make them happen. i'm all about the personal responsibility for oneself. but that doesn't mean that there can't be pushes, prods or signposts along the way
[22:25:11] <kiwi> John: Not at all.
[22:25:12] <arie> I walked out on my entire life just over two years ago. It was utterly terrifying.
[22:25:15] <Chiyo> God sometimes works in mysterious ways, sometimes God is quite subtle.
[22:25:16] <H|rustnroses> It's hard to understand why I was so scared of change when I'm so unhappy in my current situation, but it's important to remember that the pain of the current time, hte current 'known' is safer than the terror of change
[22:25:17] <rahaeli> Terrifying and exciting aren't opposites :)
[22:25:18] <arie> But it was so worth it.
[22:25:24] <Chiyo> Rather, sometimes God is obvious with its message.
[22:25:25] <Andrea|andrea_lambda> It is. But it's taken me the better part of a year to figure out that not changing, being stagnant, is more terrifying still.
[22:25:26] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> john: eventually, no; sometimes, one just overwhelms the other :)
[22:25:31] <H|rustnroses> Yes.
[22:25:36] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> but they're still there.
[22:25:41] <Matt|MrDorbin> It takes a lot of trust to let the change happen.
[22:25:43] <cjshrwood> Rah: Good point. Especially if I look at that in other contexts.
[22:25:52] <cjshrwood> Matt: EXACTLY!
[22:25:52] <arie> I think that was a gift from God, it's where i finally came to believe in and /saw/ god. Was one little trip with a small circle of friends with enough faith in me and in God to share it. Even subconciously. Becuase it wasn't a concious thing.
[22:25:53] <john|folk> Mmm. Does the level of control one has over the change balance the scales of terror/exhilaration, I wonder.
[22:25:54] <Matt|MrDorbin> That's the hard part for me. I'm constantly running worst-case scenarios in my head.
[22:25:59] <arie> maybe that's part of it too, it isn't always /concious/.
[22:26:05] <Chiyo> I was walking with my mom, once, and we were talking about how different life is, and how we weren't sure how it was going to turn out - while we were walking, we saw three rainbows. Two ahead of us, and one behind us. Can't get a lot clearer than that.
[22:26:07] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> arie, hmm
[22:26:18] <H|rustnroses> The question is then, what is that God is offering us in Whitney's presentation of ressurection? The push toward change, or the change itself?
[22:26:24] <kiwi> It's not necessarily the level of control, I think; it's more in how you aproach the change - your attitude.
[22:26:29] <Desh> Trust in change is one of the hardest things for me. At times when I have trouble trusting anyone outside myself, it's even harder.
[22:26:30] <Kat|vanswingedangel> I think all God offers is the push.
[22:26:34] <rahaeli> H: Why must there be only one answer to that question?
[22:26:38] <cjshrwood> RnR: Opportunity, I think.
[22:26:39] <rahaeli> Why can't God be giving us both?
[22:26:40] <H|rustnroses> There shouldn't be
[22:26:43] <rahaeli> At different times, I mean.
[22:26:45] <john|folk> I think God is offering us a metaphor.
[22:26:45] <arie> I just came home from that trip and was /different/. and looking back it was faith that changed me.
[22:26:57] <rahaeli> I mean, sometimes I get the push. And sometimes I get the "okay, you're not listening to the push, so I'm going to drop an anvil."
[22:26:58] <Chiyo> The push towards what we need. Change isn't inherently good - but it's not inherently bad. It just kind of is.
[22:26:59] <Tertius|dwarvennomlet> I think all God offers is the push and the chance - and if we don't take that one, God offers another.
[22:26:59] <john|folk> For those of us who the metaphor speaks to to be able to say "Okay, I get it now, this relates to me."
[22:27:05] <kiwi> I think both, and also the recognition that our change, the circumstances and the attitude and the things we take from it, are fed into by those who come before and set the stage.
[22:27:08] <ladysisyphus> I don't know if I believe that God offers us the push so much as I believe that God /is/ the push.
[22:27:10] <H|rustnroses> I think God is the path, the change within ourselves and the courage to make it
[22:27:10] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> hee, rah I get that too
[22:27:12] <rahaeli> The anvils are painful, but hey, change is painful sometimes :)
[22:27:17] <Chiyo> It's like breaking a jaw to get it proper - it hurts, and it's a definite change, but... it's better, after.
[22:27:20] <rho> i used to be very, very badly depressed. and one of the things that depression causes is a complete resistance to change. it's like standing on a high pedestal, and every way you move, you fear you'll fall. so you stand still, and don't see the ladder leading down
[22:27:23] <rahaeli> i like that, Whitney. God is the push.
[22:27:24] <Chiyo> Heh. Amen to that, R.
[22:27:33] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> rho: hear, hear.
[22:27:34] <xturtle> I had the good fortune of being forced to deal with the level of anxiety I had been existing with for much of my life this year. I never thought a nervous breakdown would be a sign from God, but it certainly was.
[22:27:34] <AngstMorpork> oh, yes rho
[22:27:37] <Rob|Malerin> True.
[22:27:39] * abe|burr86 nods at rho
[22:27:45] <Matt|MrDorbin> That is nice. God IS the breaking down that remakes us into something new.
[22:27:46] <tiercel> Rho: been there, done that.
[22:27:47] <Spottie> thats very well put rho
[22:27:50] <H|rustnroses> xturtle, I've DEFINITELY been there
[22:27:51] <Musil|Herocatholic> it feels wierd sometimes when He is the push, because you wonder if it is the right direction, sort of like Job's friends
[22:27:56] <Matt|MrDorbin> Which is all well and good until you're the thing getting broken down.
[22:28:06] <kiwi> It's like the idea of having to hit rock bottom to start moving up. Sometimes God is the straw rather than the push.
[22:28:10] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> ah, but matt
[22:28:10] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> I think what's helped with the depression a lot is every now and then getting the feeling that I haven't hit rock bottom, I've jutst fallen into God's safety net. I like that idea.
[22:28:14] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> youre also the thing that is made new
[22:28:16] <arie> so if everyone who is resisting change is just standing still... do they even recongize that's what they're doing? what if there is no push, what f they just keep saying they are moving forward but really all their doing is holding ON.
[22:28:28] <john|folk> Part of the problem when you're pushed, or broken down, is being able to get up again, or to put yourself back together in this new way.
[22:28:36] <Carrie|coffeechica> sometimes it's hard to tell loyalty from obstinance.
[22:28:38] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> Sometimes you have to hold on a bit just to survive.
[22:28:41] <Matt|MrDorbin> Isaiah: Right. I just have to keep telling myself that.
[22:28:50] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> But you can't hold on forever.
[22:28:52] <kiwi> Pthalo: So the time just isn't always right for change?
[22:28:59] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> I think so.
[22:29:09] <rho> a lot of the time, you know you're being pushed, but you don't know if you're being pushed in the right direction
[22:29:15] <john|folk> Agreed, rho.
[22:29:17] <H|rustnroses> See, I wouldn't say that kiwi, as much as perhaps God is the light at the bottom of the well...no matter how far you fall down it, it's always above you, offering a way out. But you have to have the guts to look up rather than down, the strength to start climbing
[22:29:21] <arie> or you're too scared to have faith in it.
[22:29:22] <inkedfrog> I thought this was really driven home when she said we put in periods where God put in a comma
[22:29:33] <Musil|Herocatholic> well said H
[22:29:38] <kiwi> Can you pick the direction once you have the push? Guide the force? Or does it just carry you and you have to figure out later if it was the right direction?
[22:29:41] * Kat|vanswingedangel agrees with inkedfrog
[22:29:43] <john|folk> And what about God's semi-colons? :)
[22:29:49] <arie> that's where it started for me: sometimes there just isn't any punctuation.
[22:29:52] <rahaeli> *Is* God a grammar nazi? ;)
[22:29:54] <arie> it's just... open.
[22:29:58] <kiwi> Does God just shove, or does he sometimes just provide the kinetic force that you shape?
[22:30:00] <AngstMorpork> I like in the sermon, the idea of being Jesus's resurrection. Part of the changes I need to make are looking towards others, instead of inward all the time.
[22:30:00] <arie> the whole world your whole life. open. to god.
[22:30:07] <Matt|MrDorbin> I think that may be the scariest part of all.
[22:30:08] <ladysisyphus> God is a verb, after all.
[22:30:10] <john|folk> Seriously, though, there's a question there: how do WE tell the difference between God's punctuation?
[22:30:11] <Matt|MrDorbin> When there IS no direction.
[22:30:14] <rahaeli> Not just a verb -- *the* verb.
[22:30:15] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> rah: depends on who he's talking to/through :)
[22:30:23] <Chiyo> I have a really, really silly question. When we talk about God's punctuation - that one about commas versus periods - what are we talking about? Continuing versus stagnant revelation, or... are we referring to a specific quote?
[22:30:25] <xturtle> I think change is constantly happening, and it is our level of resistance that adapts to our emotional and physical needs.
[22:30:25] <john|folk> How do I know if something's an ellipse or a full stop or a comma or a semi-colon or an exclamation point?
[22:30:27] <inkedfrog> kinda like thinking Jesus and his teachings where the thesis and now we have to go and expand on it
[22:30:27] <H|rustnroses> I think God isn't so much the push as the path, you choose the path...we all choose the role God plays in our lives
[22:30:28] <Andrea|andrea_lambda> does God need punctuation?
[22:30:33] <ladysisyphus> (Note from the pastor-type person: this is your one-minute warning.)
[22:30:33] <arie> john: Faith?
[22:30:34] <H|rustnroses> and the path we follow to him
[22:30:45] <Chiyo> One minute left or one minute down?
[22:30:57] <crschmidt> (left)
[22:30:57] <Chiyo> I liked the Choose Life in Choosing Death bit.
[22:30:58] <dodecahedron> I think it means we tend to see finality when God sees continuation.
[22:31:01] <john|folk> arie, I wonder if we're always able to use that faith to guide our actions.
[22:31:01] <Chiyo> (Thanks)
[22:31:03] <Musil|Herocatholic> i agree
[22:31:03] <AngstMorpork> amen rustnroses
[22:31:04] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> Chiyo, I think it means sometimes we think it's a period (the end of a sentence) when it's really a comma (there's something more)
[22:31:05] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> chiyo: i don't know of it being a specific quote, but to me, it feels like another extension of that push/direction thing.
[22:31:06] <rho> a lot of how to interpret punctuation is up to the reader.
[22:31:06] <Chiyo> Ah, okay
[22:31:07] <rahaeli> (in 30 seconds or so we'll be turning the channel discussion off again; please finish your thoughts. we will be continuing discussion after the service, if people want to remain.)
[22:31:09] <kiwi> Chiyo: What I take from it is being too willing to close off opportunities, of viewing something as immediate or a crisis or the end of things... when for God, it's just a pause, it's a piece of the story or a stone in the path - God takes the longer view.
[22:31:09] * ladysisyphus (firstname.lastname@example.org) Quit (Quit: CGI:IRC)
[22:31:16] <abe|burr86> *puts the channel on pause*
[22:31:19] * rahaeli sets mode: +m
[22:31:31] * ladysisyphus (email@example.com) has joined #worship
[22:31:37] * rahaeli sets mode: +v ladysisyphus
[22:31:48] <rahaeli> (This technical difficulty has been the comic interlude.)
[22:31:53] * rahaeli sets mode: +v arie
[22:31:59] <rahaeli> And now, Arie will be doing our next reading.
[22:32:06] <arie> (The vocal version of this reading can be downloaded at: http://www.livejournal.com/users/arie/260831.html .)
[22:32:13] <arie> ---
[22:32:14] <arie> Prayer for Peace on Earth
[22:32:21] <arie> Send Thy peace O Lord, which is
[22:32:22] <arie> perfect and everlasting,
[22:32:22] <arie> that our souls may radiate peace.
[22:32:28] <arie> Send Thy peace O Lord, that we
[22:32:29] <arie> may think, act and speak harmoniously.
[22:32:36] <arie> Send Thy peace O Lord, that we
[22:32:37] <arie> may be contented and thankful for
[22:32:38] <arie> Thy bountiful gifts.
[22:32:44] <arie> Send Thy peace O Lord, that amidst
[22:32:45] <arie> our worldly strife, we may enjoy Thy bliss.
[22:32:51] <arie> Send Thy peace O Lord, that we
[22:32:51] <arie> may endure all, tolerate all, in the thought of
[22:32:51] <arie> Thy grace and mercy.
[22:32:57] <arie> Send Thy peace O Lord, that our lives
[22:32:58] <arie> may become a Divine vision and in Thy light,
[22:33:01] <arie> all darkness may vanish.
[22:33:03] <arie> Send Thy peace O Lord, our Father and Mother,
[22:33:03] <arie> that we Thy children on Earth may all
[22:33:06] <arie> unite in one family.
[22:33:10] <arie> ---
[22:33:16] * rahaeli sets mode: +v Matt|MrDorbin
[22:33:22] <ladysisyphus> And our fourth reading.
[22:33:23] * rahaeli sets mode: -v arie
[22:33:25] <Matt|MrDorbin> The book of Matthew. Chapter 28. Verses 1-8.
[22:33:28] <Matt|MrDorbin> ---
[22:33:35] <Matt|MrDorbin> A reading from the Holy Gospel according to Matthew:
[22:33:43] <Matt|MrDorbin> After the sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.
[22:33:50] <Matt|MrDorbin> And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, approached, rolled back the stone, and sat upon it.
[22:33:57] <Matt|MrDorbin> His appearance was like lightning and his clothing was white as snow.
[22:34:04] <Matt|MrDorbin> The guards were shaken with fear of him and became like dead men.
[22:34:10] <Matt|MrDorbin> Then the angel said to the women in reply, "Do not be afraid! I know that you are seeking Jesus the crucified.
[22:34:17] <Matt|MrDorbin> He is not here, for he has been raised just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay.
[22:34:25] <Matt|MrDorbin> Then go quickly and tell his disciples, 'He has been raised from the dead, and is going before you to Galilee; there you will see him.' Behold, I have told you."
[22:34:31] <Matt|MrDorbin> Then they went away quickly from the tomb, fearful yet overjoyed, and ran to announce this to his disciples.
[22:34:36] <Matt|MrDorbin> The Gospel of the Lord.
[22:34:41] <Matt|MrDorbin> ---
[22:34:56] * rahaeli sets mode: -v Matt|MrDorbin
[22:35:02] * rahaeli sets mode: +o ladysisyphus
[22:35:39] <ladysisyphus> Now, please join with me in the prayers of the people.
[22:35:43] <ladysisyphus> We pray now for concerns in the world.
[22:35:49] * rahaeli sets mode: -m
[22:35:55] <ladysisyphus> I invite you at this time to share aloud the concerns you have, or to hold them in your heart.
[22:36:20] <ladysisyphus> I pray for the ongoing violence in Iraq, that it may end.
[22:36:38] <rahaeli> I pray for those who do not have the luxury of a computer and an internet connection to attend something like this service.
[22:36:42] <john|folk> I would ask you all to hold my dear friend Tine in your hearts. Her father died this past week, while she is thousands of miles away from home.
[22:36:48] <gabrielle> for my grandmother and my friend Dave, both recovering from illness
[22:36:58] <Matt|MrDorbin> I pray for the hungry in body and the hungry in spirit. May they find what nourishes them.
[22:36:59] <Chiyo> I pray for anyone who doesn't have the chance to visit any service or religion, or the freedom to believe what they would.
[22:37:01] <H|rustnroses> I pray for possibility of a new peace and understanding in Israel
[22:37:10] <Chiyo> I pray for Sam, who died on Tuesday
[22:37:11] <cjshrwood> I pray for the Anglican Communion, and for everyone in it to realize they have much more in common than things which separate them, and find the unity within.
[22:37:18] <Mooncalf|tsukikoushi> that those who require courage may find it.
[22:37:23] <rein> I pray for understanding in general.
[22:37:27] <Desh> For all those in Darfur, Sudan.
[22:37:28] <Tertius|dwarvennomlet> for my uncle, in iraq training police.
[22:37:29] <arie> I pray for understanding and tolerance.
[22:37:33] <AngstMorpork> For my country, the USA. May we find our way back to a progressive vision of the future.
[22:37:35] <MrWes> for reconciliation
[22:37:38] <john|folk> For those undergoing changes in their lives.
[22:37:39] <Musil|Herocatholic> i pray for the health of my friends and family who have always been there, and those who are not lucky enough to have it
[22:37:43] <Akebono> I pray for my friend Stephen.
[22:37:57] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> I'd like to pray for the situation of the Bahá'ís in Iran now that the new government is back in power. I heard the government destroyed the graveyard in Yazd recently.
[22:37:59] <arie> I pray for all those standing still.
[22:38:01] <Spottie> i pray for the family of Thomas, a police officer killed in the line of duty a week ago
[22:38:07] <jessica|jpallan> I pray for all of those who are in need to find the strength they need to overcome their difficulties.
[22:38:14] <Chiyo> I pray for my grandparents, that they find the strength to seek help in their lives
[22:38:26] <Carrie|coffeechica> I pray for my friend, that she may be pulled out of her deep depression and back into the light.
[22:38:29] <H|rustnroses> i pray for the hungry, the sick, and those in despair
[22:38:31] <Tertius|dwarvennomlet> i pray for the elections in saudi arabia, that they may be fair and truthful.
[22:38:32] <Kat|vanswingedangel> I pray for the families of the people killed in the most recent school shooting.
[22:38:35] <kiwi> For those in Red Lake, both those harmed and those left behind and grieving for them
[22:38:41] <Susannah|sjdr> I pray for Terri Schiavo; regardless of what I may believe about the politics of the situation, I hope when she goes, however it is, it's with peace.
[22:38:42] <Chiyo> For my sister, that she can refind the faith she lost.
[22:38:47] <inkedfrog> I pray for the children in the world
[22:38:51] <mrmoonpants> I pray for all those who have suffered discrimination or violence as a result of bigotry.
[22:38:52] <arie> I pray for all those like her.
[22:38:55] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> I pray for God to give nourishment to the souls hungering for something more, wisdom to the irrational and insensitive, and strength to the weak and weary
[22:38:56] <Janine|janinedog> I pray for all those affected by the shooting in Red Lake High School
[22:38:58] * rahaeli sets mode: +m
[22:39:11] <ladysisyphus> And now we offer prayers for ourselves and for our loved ones, for the brokenness in our own lives.
[22:39:30] * rahaeli sets mode: -m
[22:39:36] <H|rustnroses> i pray for patience
[22:39:48] <arie> I pray for patience with my daughter. Oh how I pray.
[22:39:51] <AngstMorpork> i pray for purpose
[22:39:59] <coloredink> I pray for JD in Fallujah. May he make it back safely.
[22:40:00] <rahaeli> I pray for Arie's daughter, my goddaughter, too :)
[22:40:04] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> i pray for tracking down my new landlord in Serbia so i can move.
[22:40:04] <Musil|Herocatholic> i pray for staying away from temptation
[22:40:06] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> I pray for both inspiration and strength
[22:40:08] <Chiyo> I pray for strength and life
[22:40:09] <Kat|vanswingedangel> I pray for the courage to deal with my problems.
[22:40:09] <Laura|rainingtulips> I pray for strenght and common sense.
[22:40:13] <dodecahedron> I pray for courage.
[22:40:14] <kiwi> I pray for my relationship with my mother, for patience and understanding.
[22:40:16] <phoenixdreaming> I pray for courage to change
[22:40:17] <arie> I pray for greater tolerance for the intolerant.
[22:40:17] <cjshrwood> I pray for centeredness and trust.
[22:40:17] <xturtle> For my cousin, who is ailing due to pregnancy complications, and who is very lonely.
[22:40:18] <john|folk> I pray for love.
[22:40:18] <Tertius|dwarvennomlet> i pray for faith, solace and strength.
[22:40:19] <rho> i pray for courage, to do what i know i must do.
[22:40:20] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> i pray for courage and direction, and not being stuck with temp jobs as long as one of my friends has been.
[22:40:21] <crschmidt> I pray that I may be a good father to the children of this family.
[22:40:25] <Chiyo> I pray for patience in school, even when I get frustrated
[22:40:26] <jessica|jpallan> I pray that my daughters will grow up healthy and strong.
[22:40:28] <rahaeli> I pray for wisdom.
[22:40:31] <Spottie> i pray not to be bitter
[22:40:32] <Musil|Herocatholic> i pray to get to know God more
[22:40:34] <Matt|MrDorbin> I pray to see the other side more often.
[22:40:34] <inkedfrog> I pray for my friend's mother who is recovering from surgery to remove cancerous areas from her brain
[22:40:35] <john|folk> I pray for us.
[22:40:36] <H|rustnroses> i pray for truth, and the strength to accept it without fear
[22:40:43] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> (i pray that i get into the program i want, and that i can get tufts to pay for it :) )
[22:40:43] <Laura|rainingtulips> For my grandmother, who has begun chemotherapy again.
[22:40:43] <Carrie|coffeechica> I pray that God may soothe this terrible anger that has stricken me this week.
[22:40:44] <rahaeli> I pray for my friend Kris, whose husband died last week.
[22:40:53] <MrWes> for new life within
[22:40:56] <Rob|Malerin> For calm, and for compassion.
[22:41:00] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> I pray for my little cousins.
[22:41:01] <abe|burr86> i pray for my roommate jon, who may have been diagnosed with krohn's
[22:41:05] <john|folk> For wisdom and guidance.
[22:41:06] <arie> I pray for my friend Joel who just got orders overseas.
[22:41:08] <rahaeli> I pray for my friend Jim, and for his foster father and their family.
[22:41:11] <Musil|Herocatholic> i pray to handle adversity and acceptance of people who don't like me
[22:41:11] <anirt> I pray for my aunt who is lonely, and for the strength and clarity to finish my draft this week
[22:41:15] <phoenixdreaming> I pray for hope for my family
[22:41:17] <mrmoonpants> I pray for my sister, who's struggling to find a place in the world as much as I am.
[22:41:18] <kiwi> I pray for the guidance to make the right choices, and to have faith in my choices.
[22:41:20] <rein> I pray for my family to find balance.
[22:41:21] <ladysisyphus> I pray for the new things God is doing in and through me.
[22:41:22] <PlaidMutineer> I pray for the courage to accept death as something other than darkness and loss
[22:41:23] <Kat|vanswingedangel> I pray for my grandfather.
[22:41:24] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> and i pray that my grandma understands that god isn't testing her, he's waiting for her to come home.
[22:41:32] <Susannah|sjdr> I pray my boyfriend gets home safely, since he's in a plane right now.
[22:41:32] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> I pray for solace for my friend Miriam, whose friend passed away suddenly
[22:41:35] <cjshrwood> I pray for the ability to finish my research project and associated paper.
[22:41:35] <Laura|rainingtulips> I pray for my family to find common ground and compassion for one another.
[22:41:42] <Carrie|coffeechica> I pray that my grandfather may build his strength to begin chemotherapy again.
[22:41:44] <rahaeli> I pray for all of you, who are here and who are /here/.
[22:41:48] <tiercel> I pray for Conni, who is troubled in mind.
[22:41:49] <Andrea|andrea_lambda> I pray for the wisdom to know what is the right thing to do, to heal myself and to help others
[22:42:00] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> I pray for the little one.
[22:42:08] <coloredink> For inspiration, for wisdom, for compassion, and the strength to do unto others as I would have them do unto me
[22:42:10] <Janine|janinedog> I pray for the strength to finish school without getting too stressed out.
[22:42:17] * rahaeli sets mode: +m
[22:42:34] <ladysisyphus> And now we offer up our thanksgivings and joys, sharing with others the new hope in our lives.
[22:42:39] * rahaeli sets mode: -m
[22:42:55] <Musil|Herocatholic> im thankful to learn about God everyday
[22:42:56] <ladysisyphus> I give thanks for all of you who have helped make this a reality.
[22:42:58] <Carrie|coffeechica> I rejoice that my daughter's first birthday is Tuesday! :-)
[22:43:05] <Chiyo> I'd like to thank God for giving me these past three years with my girlfriend, and for many more to come.
[22:43:07] <abe|burr86> i'm thankful that spring break at home with my family was a pretty good time.
[22:43:09] <kiwi> I rejoice in being here tonight, in getting to experience this something new with all of you.
[22:43:11] <arie> I am thankful for my daughter and the many, many blessings I have received from and because of her.
[22:43:12] <cjshrwood> In thanksgiving for this community who has come together to worship and to share together, and to grow.
[22:43:16] <john|folk> I rejoice that so many of us are here, making this new community.
[22:43:18] <H|rustnroses> i celebrate this gathering
[22:43:20] <tiercel> I'm thankful that my brother found a good job and got away from the one that was breaking him.
[22:43:23] <Tertius|dwarvennomlet> I'm thankful this was possible.
[22:43:24] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> I offer thanks for the wonderful opportunities I have been granted, academically, personally, and professionally
[22:43:24] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> I'm thankful for my new home!
[22:43:26] <Desh> A good friend of mine is converting to a new religion in a month; I'm thankful that she has found where her journey is taking her.
[22:43:31] <H|rustnroses> i rejoice in the birth of my roommate's new cousin
[22:43:32] <Janine|janinedog> I'm thankful for my loving boyfriend and family
[22:43:33] <mrmoonpants> My mother has recently been promoted, and now she's the executive director of Namaste Child And Family Development Center. I'd like to wish her good luck as well as my congratulations.
[22:43:33] <Kat|vanswingedangel> I'm thankful that the snow has finally melted.
[22:43:34] <Spottie> im especially thankful my son attended church with me twice, and i hope he will hear God soon
[22:43:38] <gabrielle> a graduate degree fought for and won!
[22:43:40] <rho> i'm thankful for my university course, which has just these past few days become exciting and interesting to me again
[22:43:42] <Susannah|sjdr> I'm thankful for all this *great* music.
[22:43:42] <Andrea|andrea_lambda> I pray for my friend Beth, who is about to bring a new life into this world :) and I give thanks that her husband is able to be home with them
[22:43:43] <crschmidt> Jess and I give thanks that we have each other.
[22:43:43] <Musil|Herocatholic> im thankful for my friends, who were always there
[22:43:44] <kiwi> I celebrate starting my new job on Wednesday - may it turn out to have been a good choice!
[22:43:45] <rahaeli> I am thankful for my coworkers, my volunteers, and everyone who makes LJ a reality.
[22:43:47] <Laura|rainingtulips> I am thankful that my grandma has made it this far in her fight against cancer.
[22:43:49] <cjshrwood> I offer thanks for Whitney, who had the wherewtihall to pull this off!
[22:43:53] <Chiyo> I rejoice that I have parents, friends and family who understand I am who I am and don't try to change me.
[22:43:54] <sycomonkey> I'm thankful for all the chances God has afforded me in life.
[22:43:58] <AngstMorpork> My mother, who turned 54 today
[22:43:58] <john|folk> I'm grateful for the music too, Suze!
[22:43:59] <Kat|vanswingedangel> I'm thankful that my best friend just got a full ride to her college.
[22:44:04] <Akebono> I am thankful for progressive and compassionate voices in the church.
[22:44:04] <abe|burr86> i am thankful to have as awesome a manager as rah. :)
[22:44:05] <crschmidt> I'm thankful that I'm here.
[22:44:07] <Chiyo> The good health of my family and friends
[22:44:12] <H|rustnroses> I'm thankful for God's neverending patience with me.
[22:44:13] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> I'm thankful I'm on the right path again
[22:44:14] <kiwi> Amen, Abe.
[22:44:15] <john|folk> I'm grateful for my parents, as much as they grate on me and on each other.
[22:44:15] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> i'm thankful that i'm fortunate enough to live surrounded by so many friends, and that i know so many in so many places
[22:44:18] <Matt|MrDorbin> I'm thankful for my friends. They keep me going.
[22:44:21] <Janine|janinedog> I'm thankful for LiveJournal, without which I wouldn't have met everyone here :)
[22:44:21] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> abe: hear, hear
[22:44:22] <rahaeli> I'm thankful for the still, small voice.
[22:44:22] <Laura|rainingtulips> I am thankful that I have had all of the wonderful chance in life that have brought me here today.
[22:44:22] <coloredink> I'm thankful for everything I have, from the roof over my head to my computer speakers.
[22:44:23] <inkedfrog> I'm thankful for the rare gift it is to connect with a stranger
[22:44:23] <cjshrwood> I'm thankful for the opportunities to make music in my life, for the Choir of St. John's Episcopal Church and for Schola Cantorum on Hudson.
[22:44:24] <ladysisyphus> I'm so very thankful for my wonderful mother.
[22:44:27] <rho> i'm thankful for my parents, who always support me
[22:44:29] <H|rustnroses> amen janine
[22:44:38] <Musil|Herocatholic> im thankful for the gift God has given me that I have not seen
[22:44:39] <abe|burr86> i'm thankful for all those on LJ who've put up with me for the past three years, and helped me become who i am now.
[22:44:44] <Akebono> I'm thankful for my sister.
[22:44:45] <abe|burr86> (i mean you, rah. :)
[22:44:46] <john|folk> Amen, Janine, and twice and thrice amen!
[22:44:46] <arie> I'm thankful for all of my family and friends who teach me more about myself each day.
[22:44:46] <H|rustnroses> i'm thankful for whitney, for her friendship and love.
[22:44:47] <Andrea|andrea_lambda> I also want to give thanks for all the little things and blessings and stories that give us hope and renew our faith in humanity when it wavers the most
[22:44:48] <rahaeli> I'm thankful that though Whitney and I ended our relationship, we can still sit here and be together in something like this.
[22:44:51] <coloredink> I'm thankful for my friends and my family.
[22:44:51] <kiwi> I'm grateful that my parents have found the right partner to be with, so that I have four parents and a very wide and rich family.
[22:44:52] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> I'm thankful that I have been given a questioning mind -- that should there be a God, he is not so selfish as to insist in unquestioning belief
[22:45:00] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> i'm thankful for music; as i've reminded myself so many times over the past six months - "boys can be temporary, but music is forever."
[22:45:02] <rein> I'm very thankful to have people to love and who love me.
[22:45:03] <Chiyo> Amen to that, Isaiah
[22:45:08] <Musil|Herocatholic> i want to thank all the little people...
[22:45:09] <Tertius|dwarvennomlet> i'm thankful for my religous family, both online and here in my parish.
[22:45:12] <rho> i'm thankful for my friends who stand by me when i need strength
[22:45:20] <Laura|rainingtulips> I am thankful for the wondnerful people I met in college, without whom I would have gone home a LONG time ago.
[22:45:24] <tiercel> I'm thankful for my friend Phil, an unquestioning source of support.
[22:45:25] <rahaeli> I'm thankful for everyone who touches my life and makes it better, and I'm thankful for the opportunity to be that person for other people.
[22:45:26] <Kat|vanswingedangel> I'm thankful for the world, even if it is a little messed up right now.
[22:45:28] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> I'm thankful the little one's talking to me again
[22:45:28] <Carrie|coffeechica> I'm thankful that there are accepting and kind people like you all in the world.
[22:45:29] <H|rustnroses> i'm thankful for sarah who puts up with me
[22:45:35] * rahaeli sets mode: +m
[22:45:50] <ladysisyphus> With these thoughts both joyful and sad on our minds, we now close our eyes and open our hearts to think on them.
[22:46:04] <ladysisyphus> Listen to the music. Listen to the Spirit.
[22:50:11] <ladysisyphus> Now hear these words of assurance and encouragement:
[22:50:14] <ladysisyphus> In a church in Germany, there is a statue of Jesus that was damaged during WWII when a bomb came through the roof of the church, and blew off the hands on the statue. The decision was made to leave the statue unrepaired, and at its base were placed the words, ‘Christ has no hands but yours.’
[22:50:34] <ladysisyphus> We are God's people. We live in God's world. Let us do what we can to make God's world a better one.
[22:50:43] <ladysisyphus> At http://www.livejournal.com/users/malerin/796284.html, you can find the URLs of many charities.
[22:51:00] <ladysisyphus> I encourage you, if you have the money to spare, please, give to those in need.
[22:51:07] <ladysisyphus> If you have no money, look for ways you can donate your time.
[22:51:28] <ladysisyphus> (And think of this as the seventh-inning stretch. If you want to get up and walk around, now would be the time to do it.)
[22:58:28] * rahaeli sets mode: +v gabrielle
[22:58:32] <ladysisyphus> And now, for our fifth reading:
[22:58:38] <gabrielle> This is a poem by Wendell Berry, found in a book called Earth Prayers.
[22:58:47] <gabrielle> At start of spring I open a trench
[22:58:56] <gabrielle> in the ground. I put into it
[22:59:05] <gabrielle> the winter's accumulation of paper,
[22:59:05] <gabrielle> pages I do not want to read
[22:59:17] <gabrielle> again, useless words, fragments,
[22:59:17] <gabrielle> errors. And I put into it
[22:59:26] <gabrielle> the contents of the outhouse:
[22:59:27] <gabrielle> light of the sun, growth of the ground,
[22:59:37] <gabrielle> finished with one of their journeys.
[22:59:37] <gabrielle> To the sky, to the wind, then,
[22:59:47] <gabrielle> and to the faithful trees, I confess
[22:59:47] <gabrielle> my sins: that I have not been happy
[22:59:57] <gabrielle> enough, considering my good luck;
[22:59:57] <gabrielle> have listened to too much noise;
[23:00:08] <gabrielle> have been inattentive to wonders;
[23:00:08] <gabrielle> have lusted after praise.
[23:00:17] <gabrielle> And then upon the gathered refuse
[23:00:18] <gabrielle> of mind and body, I close the trench,
[23:00:27] <gabrielle> folding shut again the dark,
[23:00:27] <gabrielle> the deathless earth. Beneath that seal
[23:00:34] <gabrielle> the old escapes into the new.
[23:00:38] <gabrielle> ---
[23:00:41] * rahaeli sets mode: +v cjshrwood
[23:00:45] * cjshrwood stands and says, "A reading from Leviticus 26:6, Psalms 85 v. 10 and 118 v. 19, Isaiah 43:9 and 66:18-22 and Luke 2:14, as adapted by Ralph Vaughn Williams."
[23:00:47] * rahaeli sets mode: -v gabrielle
[23:00:49] <ladysisyphus> And our sixth reading:
[23:00:58] <cjshrwood> Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.
[23:00:58] <cjshrwood> Truth shall spring out of the earth, and righteousness shall look down from heaven.
[23:00:59] <cjshrwood> Open to me the gates of righteousness; I will go into them.
[23:00:59] <cjshrwood> Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled; and let them hear, and say, it is the truth.
[23:00:59] <cjshrwood> And it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues.
[23:01:01] <cjshrwood> And they shall come and see my glory.
[23:01:03] <cjshrwood> And I will set a sign among them, and they shall declare my glory among the nations.
[23:01:04] <cjshrwood> For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, so shall your seed and your name remain for ever.
[23:01:07] <cjshrwood> Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good-will toward men.
[23:01:11] <cjshrwood> Here ends the reading.
[23:01:14] * cjshrwood sits back down.
[23:01:16] * rahaeli sets mode: +v Lynne|UrsaMajor
[23:01:20] * rahaeli sets mode: -v cjshrwood
[23:01:28] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> When I think of spring, I think of four things: longer days, greener trees, loads of chocolate, and baseball. With that in mind: two excerpts from songs by The Mountain Goats ( http://www.themountaingoats.net ).
[23:01:38] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> new sheen all over everything
[23:01:42] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> when you open up your mouth to sing.
[23:01:47] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> baseballs travel further when you watch them fly.
[23:01:52] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> apples fatten on the trees when you walk by.
[23:02:00] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> you bring something unreplaceble to each and every day.
[23:02:06] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> - blue jays and cardinals
[23:02:15] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> and the second:
[23:02:23] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> they're gonna find intelligent life up there on the moon
[23:02:30] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> and the canterbury tales will shoot up to the top of the best seller list
[23:02:36] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> and stay there for 27 weeks
[23:02:45] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> and the chicago cubs will beat every team in the league
[23:02:52] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> and the tampa bay bucs will make it all the way to january
[23:02:57] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> - cubs in five
[23:03:03] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> (mp3 of the latter available at http://www.lynnebaer.com/lj/service/The%20Mountain%20Goats%20-%20Cubs%20in%20Five.mp3 .)
[23:03:11] <Lynne|UrsaMajor> ---
[23:03:28] * rahaeli sets mode: -v Lynne|UrsaMajor
[23:04:34] <ladysisyphus> And our eighth reading:
[23:04:40] * rahaeli sets mode: +v Isaiah|White_Chocolate
[23:04:46] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> <I was going to offer a reading from Martin Luther King Jr's "Letter from a Birmingham Jail" but, owing to both the fact that many regular readers of Whitney's LJ have already seen it, and also to the absolute difficulty in reducing his excellent work into a suitable reading length, I instead offer the following.>
[23:05:19] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> <It is a prayer by Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, who lived in Eastern Europe from 1772-1810.>
[23:05:29] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> ---
[23:05:31] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> Master of the Universe
[23:05:38] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> Grant me the ability to be alone;
[23:05:46] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> May it be my custom to go outdoors each day
[23:05:53] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> Among the trees and grass, among all living things.
[23:06:00] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> And there may I be alone, and enter into prayer,
[23:06:07] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> To talk with the one to whom I belong.
[23:06:17] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> May I express there everything in my heart,
[23:06:23] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> And may all the foliage of the field
[23:06:30] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> (All grasses, trees, and plants)
[23:06:37] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> May they all awake at my coming,
[23:06:46] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> To send the powers of their life into the words of my prayer
[23:06:52] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> So that my prayer and speech are made whole
[23:07:00] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> Through the life and the spirit of all growing things,
[23:07:09] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> Which are made as one by their transcendent source.
[23:07:17] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> ---
[23:07:26] * rahaeli sets mode: +v john|folk
[23:07:28] * rahaeli sets mode: -v Isaiah|White_Chocolate
[23:07:32] <ladysisyphus> And our ninth reading:
[23:07:38] <john|folk> This is the Latin evening hymn-prayer, 'Te lucis ante terminum'. It can be downloaded (1.0 MB MP3 file) from http://www.kekkai.org/alanna/mp3/telucis.mp3
[23:07:53] <john|folk> I will always associate it with the tiny university chapel of St Leonard I sang in at St Andrews, so imagine the light of smoky candles, the scent of old wood panelling, musty liturgical books and woolen red academic undergraduate gowns.
[23:08:04] <john|folk> The hymn is sung in unison.
[23:08:06] <john|folk> ---
[23:08:13] <john|folk> Te lucis ante terminum ## Before the ending of the day
[23:08:13] <john|folk> Rerum Creator, poscimus ## Creator of the world, we pray
[23:08:13] <john|folk> Ut pro tua clementia ## That thou with wonted love wouldst keep
[23:08:13] <john|folk> Sis praesul et custodia. ## Thy watch around us while we sleep.
[23:08:30] <john|folk> Procul recedant somnia ## O let no evil dreams be near
[23:08:30] <john|folk> Et noctium phantasmata, ## Nor phantoms of the night appear;
[23:08:30] <john|folk> Hostemque nostrum comprime ## Our ghostly enemy restrain
[23:08:30] <john|folk> Ne polluantur corpora. ## Lest aught of sin our bodies stain.
[23:08:59] <john|folk> Praesta, Pater piissime ## Almighty Father, hear our cry
[23:08:59] <john|folk> Patrique compar unice ## Through Jesus Christ, our Lord most high,
[23:09:00] <john|folk> Cum Spiritu Paraclito ## Whom with the Holy Ghost and Thee
[23:09:00] <john|folk> Regnans per omne saeculum. Amen. ## Doth live and reign eternally. Amen.
[23:09:11] * rahaeli sets mode: +v H|rustnroses
[23:09:13] <john|folk> ---
[23:09:15] * rahaeli sets mode: -v john|folk
[23:09:16] <ladysisyphus> And our tenth and final reading:
[23:09:18] <H|rustnroses> A reading from "The Prophet" by Kahil Gibran. (phoneposted to my journal following the close of the service)
[23:09:30] <H|rustnroses> And a woman who held a babe against her bosom said, Speak to us of Children.
[23:09:30] <H|rustnroses> And he said:
[23:09:30] <H|rustnroses> Your children are not your children.
[23:09:31] <H|rustnroses> They are the sons and daughters of Live's longing for itself.
[23:09:31] <H|rustnroses> They come through you but not from you,
[23:09:31] <H|rustnroses> And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.
[23:09:48] <H|rustnroses> You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
[23:09:48] <H|rustnroses> For they have their own thoughts.
[23:09:48] <H|rustnroses> You may house their bodies but not their souls,
[23:09:48] <H|rustnroses> For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
[23:09:48] <H|rustnroses> You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you.
[23:09:49] <H|rustnroses> For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.
[23:10:07] <H|rustnroses> You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are set forth.
[23:10:07] <H|rustnroses> The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and He bends you with His might that His arrows may go swift and far.
[23:10:07] <H|rustnroses> Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
[23:10:08] <H|rustnroses> For even as He love the arrow that flies, so He love also the bow that is stable.
[23:10:23] <H|rustnroses> ---
[23:10:26] * rahaeli sets mode: -v H|rustnroses
[23:11:01] <ladysisyphus> If I may take a moment for practicality -- announcements are, after all, a fine Christian tradition:
[23:11:08] <ladysisyphus> There is a poll in my journal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/ladysisyphus/262569.html
[23:11:33] <ladysisyphus> When this service is over, I'd ask that you go and take it, let me know a little about you and what you've thought about this experience.
[23:11:47] <ladysisyphus> Which, for me, has been incredible beyond all expectations I could have had.
[23:12:08] <ladysisyphus> You all are amazing. You have come together through strange mystery, but not strange accident.
[23:12:28] <ladysisyphus> The channel will remain open after this service, and I invite you to stay as long as you like, to talk about whatever you like amongst yourselves.
[23:13:00] <ladysisyphus> This is how community happens -- people coming together out of some obligation, and staying together out of deeper necessity.
[23:13:31] <ladysisyphus> This is how we are the resurrection, how we are the body of Christ -- by being together, by loving each other, by listening to each other, by strengthening each other.
[23:13:40] <ladysisyphus> Not one of us is alone in this world.
[23:13:54] <ladysisyphus> The words of the creed go: 'We are not alone. We live in God's world.'
[23:14:25] <ladysisyphus> We live in a world where Christ has no hands but ours, in a world where Jesus has no body but ours.
[23:14:43] <ladysisyphus> Go forth into the world this day and every day knowing that you are the resurrection.
[23:14:54] <ladysisyphus> We are the resurrection. Every one of us, every day, every time we choose life in the face of death.
[23:15:12] <ladysisyphus> Every time we realise that though standing still is comfortable, it is not where life is found.
[23:15:21] <ladysisyphus> Go out knowing that though death is real, life is stronger.
[23:15:39] <ladysisyphus> Go into the world. And go in the peace that passes all understanding.
[23:15:52] <ladysisyphus> Let it be with you from now until the end of time.
[23:15:54] <ladysisyphus> Amen.
[23:16:32] * rahaeli sets mode: -m
[23:16:34] <rahaeli> Amen.
[23:16:35] <H|rustnroses> Amen.
[23:16:36] <cjshrwood> Amen.
[23:16:37] <arie> amen
[23:16:37] <john|folk> Amen.
[23:16:37] <AngstMorpork> Amen!
[23:16:37] <Spottie> amen
[23:16:37] <Isaiah|White_Chocolate> Amen.
[23:16:39] <Pthalo|pthalogreen> Amen!
[23:16:39] <Matt|MrDorbin> Amen.
[23:16:39] <abe|burr86> amen!
[23:16:39] <phoenixdreaming> amen
[23:16:40] <Heather> amen
[23:16:42] <Musil|Herocatholic> amen
[23:16:42] <Janine|janinedog> Amen!
[23:16:43] <xturtle> amen!
[23:16:43] <Kat|vanswingedangel> amen!
[23:16:44] <dodecahedron> Amen.
[23:16:47] * cjshrwood applauds Whitney.
[23:16:47] <rho> amen.
[23:16:49] <inkedfrog> amen
[23:16:49] <Andrea|andrea_lambda> Amen :)
[23:16:51] <Constance|camomiletea> amen
[23:16:52] <rein> Amen
Session Close: Sun Mar 27 23:17:00 2005
Myself, I'm still speechless and in awe of last night. Dayumn. :)